tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16398571.post5137086826188337975..comments2023-10-30T11:57:26.749+01:00Comments on SCREENVILLE: Adrian Martin on Bergman (5)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16398571.post-9101982816365319672007-11-29T12:16:00.000+01:002007-11-29T12:16:00.000+01:00Ed Howard at Seul le cinema, on the Rosenbaum v. B...Ed Howard at <A HREF="http://seul-le-cinema.blogspot.com/2007/11/1127-sawdust-and-tinsel.html" REL="nofollow">Seul le cinema</A>, on the Rosenbaum v. Bergman affair :<BR/><BR/>"Critics often point to Bergman's theatrical fascination as an inherent negative — something you'd never hear about, say, Fassbinder — but this scene makes it clear that even early on Bergman understood the difference HarryTuttlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10721542203087536185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16398571.post-47792551989060536142007-10-15T18:20:00.000+02:002007-10-15T18:20:00.000+02:00The "archetypal nature" of the artist's perspectiv...The "archetypal nature" of the artist's perspective in an interesting aspect to understand his independence from the political scene. <BR/>Though I don't know if you call "present" what society calls "up-to-date" (society can be conservative and nostalgic, failing to see the actual novelty), or if it's the artist's force that is the true "present"?<BR/><BR/>"the HarryTuttlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10721542203087536185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16398571.post-49766754325310474272007-10-12T10:07:00.000+02:002007-10-12T10:07:00.000+02:00"Like Adrian Martin says the artist belongs to a w..."Like Adrian Martin says the artist belongs to a wider community of artists, rather than just his fellow citizens. And he refers to timeless values and wider-scope trends of humanity."<BR/><BR/>Yes, and even more (with a danger of returning to the theoretical sphere) - could we justifyingly claim that an artist belongs? To anything expressable? I mean, everything that ends up "articulated" in artMarinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16324018240941018404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16398571.post-28137005078951001592007-10-11T15:15:00.000+02:002007-10-11T15:15:00.000+02:00The self-defined context of the artist is an inter...The self-defined context of the artist is an interesting point.<BR/>Like Adrian Martin says the artist belongs to a wider community of artists, rather than just his fellow citizens. And he refers to timeless values and wider-scope trends of humanity. <BR/><BR/>If we consider and talk about cinema as an art, then we can't limit ourselves to judge their currency value defined by the local HarryTuttlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10721542203087536185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16398571.post-2977879100471777992007-10-11T13:42:00.000+02:002007-10-11T13:42:00.000+02:00Hello, Harry,I think I was a bit ultimate in the p...Hello, Harry,<BR/><BR/>I think I was a bit ultimate in the previous comment or that's how it ended up sounding. Let me elaborate:<BR/><BR/>"When we look back on Art History, the political alignment of great artists from Renaissance or Greek Antiquity doesn't strike us as the only component of their artistic stance, if it matters at all today."<BR/><BR/>Exactly, it's not the only component. But itMarinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16324018240941018404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16398571.post-35444670505203673532007-10-10T07:14:00.000+02:002007-10-10T07:14:00.000+02:00Hi marina,Yes, that's it. I'm not saying that poli...Hi marina,<BR/><BR/>Yes, that's it. I'm not saying that politics and emotional connection is irrelevant, but like you say it's not the only major factor. So it's unfair and shortsighted to use politics alone to discard a film or an oeuvre altogether.<BR/>When we look back on Art History, the political alignment of great artists from Renaissance or Greek Antiquity doesn't strike us as the only HarryTuttlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10721542203087536185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16398571.post-57662424078945401582007-10-09T10:08:00.000+02:002007-10-09T10:08:00.000+02:00Harry,Just as you, actuality and judgements / eval...Harry,<BR/><BR/>Just as you, actuality and judgements / evaluation on the basis of up-to-date-ness have always intimidated me. When we are dealing with the history of cinema (and in that respect, contemporary cinema in its context), social surroundings are not the prime factor - they are not what has made cinema - cinema, art - art. Art is only thinkable outside the historically given - from its Marinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16324018240941018404noreply@blogger.com